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Updates to the book "CROSSLEY"

Updates at 4 February 2012

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2

Lower caption: there is also a 25/30 in the picture; delete "and tourer"

4

"Model 92" in cover captions should be "Model 4A".

7

Para 4 line 13: "twenty years" should be "fourteen years".

15

Upper caption: "1880" should read "1890".

24

Centre caption: By 2003 demolition of the main hospital building had not commenced.

30

Para 4; "two letters" should be "three letters"; last 2 lines delete 'reversible'

33

Top caption date is 1929 (as in picture) not 1912

33

Column two line three: "three" should be "two" (QVD cylinders)

39

Middle caption should read "30 years before".

45

Para 2 delete 'those'

52

'Military 6x6' should be in 1945 not 1948 row

53

In the table the figure 1700 for the 10hp should be 1100

64

In second caption "1917" should be "1915"

67

William Letts had two sons

81

Top caption: alter "24" to "72".

87

Upper caption: "IGL8" should be "IGL3"

88

Lower caption: delete "engine and"

91

Para 3 line 6 insert 'chose' after directors

108

Upper caption: delete "seen here in flight"

114

Second column, third line from end should read “although the road test would continue for bus chassis until their production ended”

117

Lowest picture, VU 3733. The date is 1932/3 and the driver is Miss Kitty Brunel, better known for rallying ACs, outside the family home.

123

Upper caption: "Range Road" should be "Withington Road"

131

Col 2, first para, line 11, and caption, line 9 "four" should be "4 ¼"

136

Centre caption: delete "two with Crossley bodies and then". In the next line "52-seat" should be "54 seat"

137

The China General vehicles ran in Shanghai and the type of these and the Maidstone buses was C6CA7 but sometmes refered to as C6OA7.

138

Lower caption should read "like their VR 88, shown on page 121,".

139 In the table, petrol Condor demonstrator sales should read cardiff (1), Aberdeen (1), Northampton (1).

140

Para 4 line 4 'for' should be 'four'.

150/1

Pictures of BNB552 were taken in Upper Slaughter Glos

151

Upper caption: "Regis 4" should be "Regis 10"

156

Upper caption, the Cardiff vehicles were fitted with VR6s when new and changed by Crossley soon after delivery to Gardner 6LW. The text on page 156 is correct.

157 According to the corporation's records and photographic evidence, Maidstone fleet numbers 42-47 had VR6 engines when new, 5LWs being fitted in 1951, along with fleet number 41; Crossley record 42-47 as 5LW when new; this appears to be incorrect.

158

Picture clipped - second bus lost making caption slightly odd

161

Lower picture caption should read "Metro Camell frame".

166

Upper caption: "34" should be "71", there being 37 not delivered from this order plus a further unfulfilled order for 34.

168

Hull line - "20" is in the wrong column; Cardiff bodies were Northern Counties.

169

Upper caption: "339" should be "331"

176

Col 2 penultimate para should read "Before the war Crossley had mainly bodied"

179

Top caption: add "converted to right-hand drive"

180

In text "two2" should be "two"

186

Lower caption should read "shows it in ...". Southport 112 was a DD42/8S model.

187

Lower caption should read "bodies built locally in Uruguay". Page 195 is correct. Chassis 97506 was not for Uruguay: it was for Isidoro Duarte Lda, Galega, Milharado, Portugal.

191

Column one last para: for "four" read "three"

193

Notes to upper table: "7_in" should be "7 ½ in"

195

We now have firm evidence that:
(i) Lancaster's first four 1947 double-deckers (DD42/3T, 93884/3/8/900) were new with turbo-transmitters, removed in 1954/5;
(ii)one of Southport's two double-deckers (111, DD42/8T 94939) had a turbo-transmitter, later removed, the other (112, DD42/8S 94934) and Southport's two Crossley single-deckers (116/7, SD42/7S 98213/2) did not have turbo-transmitters.

The table total should be 71. The export table should be revised to read (Uruguay 9, Portugal 1)

195

Coachbuilders table. This table is noted as being "What was reported to Crossley Motors". We have also been able to establish where chassis reported to Crossley as going to one bodybuilder, were actually diverted elsewhere, probably for reasons of quick delivery. Longwell Green built no bodies on Crossley. Longford built 5 and the 'uncertain Plaxton and Longwell Green' mentioned in the notes have now been confirmed. In total, these variations give: Beccols 18 (+2), Bellhouse Hartwell 48 (-1), Burlingham 103 (+1), Longford 5 (+2), Longwell Green 0 (-2), Plaxton 48 (-2), Santus 55 (+1), Whitson 42 (+2), Yeates 62 (-3).

196

South Shields 1947 3 should be body type C.

196

Bevan and Barker vehicles were delivered 1948, 1950 and 1954 respectively; last one had body type L. The 30 Chesterfield Double-deckers should be body type C.

197

Lancaster Guy Arab rebodies should read 4, the total at the bottom of the page of 1122 should be 1124. The Southport DD42s were delivered in 1950 and the Southport AECs in December 1949. The 60 Liverpool AECs in 1954 were Regent III. The 67 Regent V should be shown as 1955/6. The Stockport Leylands were model "PD2". The Bradford trolleybuses were rebodied in 1952, body type E. The final two batches of Liverpool Leylands (65,60) had Park Royal frames. Portsmouth 1955 body type is F not N.

199

In the heading "post-was" should be "post-war". The location of picture 3 is Barrow Town Hall, the bus's indicators are set incorrectly.

200

Bolton. It appears that although the four single-deckers were promised with downdraught engines, they were delivered with sidedraught units.

203

Caption 4: chassis number should read 94073

205

Picture 4: chassis number of EBK 26 was 94124. Caption 6: type is DD42/8.

209

Captions 4 and 5 crossed over.

213

Caption 2: Although not relevant to Crossley, the second vehicle is a Tilling-Stevens and its body was built by Longford on a Duple frame.

215

Picture 5: We have now established that this body is Longford and that the vehicle was supplied new to Private Coaches Ltd ("Orange") which was owned by Giles. The part of the caption referring to Giles and Longwell Green should be deleted. See correction to page 195.

215

Caption 6: registration number should read KHO 178.

217

Picture 5: Midland Red bus has been clipped off picture, coach is FAY 526 not 626.

218

Caption: The preserved Jones coach is EY 9194, sister vehicle of EY 8671; both were later rebodied - EY 9194 by Gurney Nutting and EY 8671 with a Duple body in 1957.

218

The correct spelling is Wilks and Meade.

219

The Withnell coachbuilding firm was actually based in Shotton, Flint, the name deriving from the owner, Ernest Withnell, and not the Lancashire village.

232

Centre caption: "Ruston's" should read "Rushton's".

236

Birmingham. These 10 chassis were stored for several months before bodying. 1647/51/55 were converted to downdraught engines, 1655 whilst being bodied and 1647/51 shortly after entering service. An as yet undetermined number of downdraught conversions were purchased in 1954/5 and fitted to some of 2266-2395 and 1646/8-50/2-4

237

Centre caption: should read "Washwood Heath" correctly, however, the terminal point was actually "Ward End".

239

Upper caption: "Mossley Road" should read "Penny Meadow".

245 One of the design team has confirmed that the Bridgemaster was designed from the first to accommodate the 9.6 litre AV590 engine.

246

Middle caption: "four" should be "for".

246

Lower caption: correct spelling is "Eberspacher": the bus later received the larger engine.

247 Bridgemasters 003-005 were built at Erwood Park but because responsibility had passed to AEC by the time they were completed, they were badged and licensed as AEC. 001 and 002 were badged as Crossley with AEC-style badges.

249

The chassis type of the Rotherham vehicle is DD42/7.

254

Para 5: demolition of the hospital did not start until 2002.

255 Tait Haulage (Carlisle) Ltd should read Tait Transport (Carlisle) Ltd: the company was ddissloved on 15th March 1994.

256

Column 2 - 7 lines from end 'p' should be the symbol p (pi).

257

In the table under 16001-17xxx "15/30" should be "25/30".

258

20.9hp engine: type should read 21/60; date first built should be 1926.

259

The chassis numbers for the 'Ten' should be 10/101-10/144x.

262

Delta. Engine was 3,705cc 20/60. Page 142 is correct.

263

Build dates - TDD4 should read 1936-1943; 92501-92853 should read 1937-1941

268

Column 1 - second box 'Graford' should read 'Garford'.

This list does not report minor typographical errors.

Page	Item
2	Lower caption: there is also a 25/30 in the picture; delete "and tourer"
4	"Model 92" in cover captions should be "Model 4A".
7	Para 4 line 13: "twenty years" should be "fourteen years".
15	Upper caption: "1880" should read "1890".
24	Centre caption: By 2003 demolition of the main hospital building had not commenced.
30	Para 4; "two letters" should be "three letters"; last 2 lines delete 'reversible'
33	Top caption date is 1929 (as in picture) not 1912
33	Column two line three: "three" should be "two" (QVD cylinders)
39	Middle caption should read "30 years before".
45	Para 2 delete 'those'
52	'Military 6x6' should be in 1945 not 1948 row
53	In the table the figure 1700 for the 10hp should be 1100
64	In second caption "1917" should be "1915"
67	William Letts had two sons
81	Top caption: alter "24" to "72".
87	Upper caption: "IGL8" should be "IGL3"
88	Lower caption: delete "engine and"
91	Para 3 line 6 insert 'chose' after directors
108	Upper caption: delete "seen here in flight"
114	Second column, third line from end should read “although the road test would continue for bus chassis until their production ended”
117	Lowest picture, VU 3733. The date is 1932/3 and the driver is Miss Kitty Brunel, better known for rallying ACs, outside the family home.
123	Upper caption: "Range Road" should be "Withington Road"
131	Col 2, first para, line 11, and caption, line 9 "four" should be "4 ¼"
136	Centre caption: delete "two with Crossley bodies and then". In the next line "52-seat" should be "54 seat"
137	The China General vehicles ran in Shanghai and the type of these and the Maidstone buses was C6CA7 but sometmes refered to as C6OA7.
138	Lower caption should read "like their VR 88, shown on page 121,".
139	In the table, petrol Condor demonstrator sales should read cardiff (1), Aberdeen (1), Northampton (1).
140	Para 4 line 4 'for' should be 'four'.
150/1	Pictures of BNB552 were taken in Upper Slaughter Glos
151	Upper caption: "Regis 4" should be "Regis 10"
156	Upper caption, the Cardiff vehicles were fitted with VR6s when new and changed by Crossley soon after delivery to Gardner 6LW. The text on page 156 is correct.
157	According to the corporation's records and photographic evidence, Maidstone fleet numbers 42-47 had VR6 engines when new, 5LWs being fitted in 1951, along with fleet number 41; Crossley record 42-47 as 5LW when new; this appears to be incorrect.
158	Picture clipped - second bus lost making caption slightly odd
161	Lower picture caption should read "Metro Camell frame".
166	Upper caption: "34" should be "71", there being 37 not delivered from this order plus a further unfulfilled order for 34.
168	Hull line - "20" is in the wrong column; Cardiff bodies were Northern Counties.
169	Upper caption: "339" should be "331"
176	Col 2 penultimate para should read "Before the war Crossley had mainly bodied"
179	Top caption: add "converted to right-hand drive"
180	In text "two2" should be "two"
186	Lower caption should read "shows it in ...". Southport 112 was a DD42/8S model.
187	Lower caption should read "bodies built locally in Uruguay". Page 195 is correct. Chassis 97506 was not for Uruguay: it was for Isidoro Duarte Lda, Galega, Milharado, Portugal.
191	Column one last para: for "four" read "three"
193	Notes to upper table: "7_in" should be "7 ½ in"
195	We now have firm evidence that: (i) Lancaster's first four 1947 double-deckers (DD42/3T, 93884/3/8/900) were new with turbo-transmitters, removed in 1954/5; (ii)one of Southport's two double-deckers (111, DD42/8T 94939) had a turbo-transmitter, later removed, the other (112, DD42/8S 94934) and Southport's two Crossley single-deckers (116/7, SD42/7S 98213/2) did not have turbo-transmitters. The table total should be 71. The export table should be revised to read (Uruguay 9, Portugal 1)
195	Coachbuilders table. This table is noted as being "What was reported to Crossley Motors". We have also been able to establish where chassis reported to Crossley as going to one bodybuilder, were actually diverted elsewhere, probably for reasons of quick delivery. Longwell Green built no bodies on Crossley. Longford built 5 and the 'uncertain Plaxton and Longwell Green' mentioned in the notes have now been confirmed. In total, these variations give: Beccols 18 (+2), Bellhouse Hartwell 48 (-1), Burlingham 103 (+1), Longford 5 (+2), Longwell Green 0 (-2), Plaxton 48 (-2), Santus 55 (+1), Whitson 42 (+2), Yeates 62 (-3).
196	South Shields 1947 3 should be body type C.
196	Bevan and Barker vehicles were delivered 1948, 1950 and 1954 respectively; last one had body type L. The 30 Chesterfield Double-deckers should be body type C.
197	Lancaster Guy Arab rebodies should read 4, the total at the bottom of the page of 1122 should be 1124. The Southport DD42s were delivered in 1950 and the Southport AECs in December 1949. The 60 Liverpool AECs in 1954 were Regent III. The 67 Regent V should be shown as 1955/6. The Stockport Leylands were model "PD2". The Bradford trolleybuses were rebodied in 1952, body type E. The final two batches of Liverpool Leylands (65,60) had Park Royal frames. Portsmouth 1955 body type is F not N.
199	In the heading "post-was" should be "post-war". The location of picture 3 is Barrow Town Hall, the bus's indicators are set incorrectly.
200	Bolton. It appears that although the four single-deckers were promised with downdraught engines, they were delivered with sidedraught units.
203	Caption 4: chassis number should read 94073
205	Picture 4: chassis number of EBK 26 was 94124. Caption 6: type is DD42/8.
209	Captions 4 and 5 crossed over.
213	Caption 2: Although not relevant to Crossley, the second vehicle is a Tilling-Stevens and its body was built by Longford on a Duple frame.
215	Picture 5: We have now established that this body is Longford and that the vehicle was supplied new to Private Coaches Ltd ("Orange") which was owned by Giles. The part of the caption referring to Giles and Longwell Green should be deleted. See correction to page 195.
215	Caption 6: registration number should read KHO 178.
217	Picture 5: Midland Red bus has been clipped off picture, coach is FAY 526 not 626.
218	Caption: The preserved Jones coach is EY 9194, sister vehicle of EY 8671; both were later rebodied - EY 9194 by Gurney Nutting and EY 8671 with a Duple body in 1957.
218	The correct spelling is Wilks and Meade.
219	The Withnell coachbuilding firm was actually based in Shotton, Flint, the name deriving from the owner, Ernest Withnell, and not the Lancashire village.
232	Centre caption: "Ruston's" should read "Rushton's".
236	Birmingham. These 10 chassis were stored for several months before bodying. 1647/51/55 were converted to downdraught engines, 1655 whilst being bodied and 1647/51 shortly after entering service. An as yet undetermined number of downdraught conversions were purchased in 1954/5 and fitted to some of 2266-2395 and 1646/8-50/2-4
237	Centre caption: should read "Washwood Heath" correctly, however, the terminal point was actually "Ward End".
239	Upper caption: "Mossley Road" should read "Penny Meadow".
245	One of the design team has confirmed that the Bridgemaster was designed from the first to accommodate the 9.6 litre AV590 engine.
246	Middle caption: "four" should be "for".
246	Lower caption: correct spelling is "Eberspacher": the bus later received the larger engine.
247	Bridgemasters 003-005 were built at Erwood Park but because responsibility had passed to AEC by the time they were completed, they were badged and licensed as AEC. 001 and 002 were badged as Crossley with AEC-style badges.
249	The chassis type of the Rotherham vehicle is DD42/7.
254	Para 5: demolition of the hospital did not start until 2002.
255	Tait Haulage (Carlisle) Ltd should read Tait Transport (Carlisle) Ltd: the company was ddissloved on 15th March 1994.
256	Column 2 - 7 lines from end 'p' should be the symbol p (pi).
257	In the table under 16001-17xxx "15/30" should be "25/30".
258	20.9hp engine: type should read 21/60; date first built should be 1926.
259	The chassis numbers for the 'Ten' should be 10/101-10/144x.
262	Delta. Engine was 3,705cc 20/60. Page 142 is correct.
263	Build dates - TDD4 should read 1936-1943; 92501-92853 should read 1937-1941
268	Column 1 - second box 'Graford' should read 'Garford'.